troubling, too, some countries, italy, said that these are ineffective and the tsa says the enemy is creative and willing to go to great lengths, and tsa utilize $the latest technology. >> i want the public to know this. the number one priority of our pilots union is the safety and security of our passengers, so, what we're advocating is a more effective use of our security dollars. we need to be treating our pilots as the assets to security enhancement, rather than as victims of these procedures and so, what we want to do is use these biometrics and use these alternate procedures to get the assets in the right direction and use them producttively. this is an absurd procedure and largely a waste of money. >> see, if congress is paying attention whether or not we can get rid of the program or not with all signs pointing to yes. mike cleary from the pilots association, we appreciate you joining us this morning. >> thanks very much. >> easy for me to say. coming up on the show, under a new law, kids as young as 12 are allowed to go to the therapist without telling their parents. should